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		<title>Great Matt Chandler Quote</title>
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		<description><![CDATA[“The misconception is ultimately that God is all about us and He’s about me and the whole thing exists because of me, so God was lonely in the beginning. So what He did is He created me for fellowship, because who wouldn’t want to create a bunch of incompetent, non-loving, adulterous, idolatrous, disobedient children to [...]<img alt="" border="0" src="http://stats.wordpress.com/b.gif?host=thepaperthinhymn.com&amp;blog=9128757&amp;post=3030&amp;subd=thehasbeenhymn&amp;ref=&amp;feed=1" width="1" height="1" />]]></description>
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<p><em>“The misconception is ultimately that God is all about us and He’s about me and the whole thing exists because of me, so God was lonely in the beginning. So what He did is He created me for fellowship, because who wouldn’t want to create a bunch of incompetent, non-loving, adulterous, idolatrous, disobedient children to call their own? And nobody’s going to say it that way but that’s what we’re saying.”</em></p>
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		<title>The 144,000 in Revelation aren&#8217;t Jews</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Jan 2012 13:49:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[And I heard the number of the sealed, 144,000, sealed from every tribe of the sons of Israel. (Rev. 7:4) Many sincere Bible-believing Christians would understand the 144,000 like this: The church is raptured prior to the great tribulation. During the time when the church is gone, a remnant of 144,000 ethnic Jews is converted [...]<img alt="" border="0" src="http://stats.wordpress.com/b.gif?host=thepaperthinhymn.com&amp;blog=9128757&amp;post=3025&amp;subd=thehasbeenhymn&amp;ref=&amp;feed=1" width="1" height="1" />]]></description>
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<p><em>And I heard the number of the sealed, 144,000, sealed from every tribe of the sons of Israel. (<a href="http://biblia.com/bible/esv/Rev.%207.4" target="_blank">Rev. 7:4</a>)</em></p>
<p>Many sincere Bible-believing Christians would understand the 144,000 like this: The church is raptured prior to the great tribulation. During the time when the church is gone, a remnant of 144,000 ethnic Jews is converted (12,000 from each tribe). These Jewish converts, in turn, evangelize the Gentiles who make up the great multitude in white robes in v. 9. That’s one understanding of Revelation 7.  A lot of godly people hold that understanding. Let me explain why I understand the 144,000 differently.</p>
<p>The 144,000 are not an ethnic Jewish remnant, and certainly not an Anointed Class of saints who became Jehovah’s Witnesses before 1935. The 144,000 represent the entire community of the redeemed. Let me give you several reasons for making this claim.</p>
<p><strong>First</strong>, in chapter 13 we read that Satan seals all of his followers, so it makes sense that God would seal all of his people, not just the Jewish ones.</p>
<p><strong>Second</strong>, the image of sealing comes from Ezekiel 9 where the seal on the forehead marks out two groups of people: idolaters and non-idolaters. It would seem that the sealing of the 144,000 makes a similar distinction based on who worships God not who among the Jewish remnant worships God.</p>
<p><strong>Third</strong>, the 144,000 are called the servants of our God (<a href="http://biblia.com/bible/esv/Rev.%207.3" target="_blank">Rev. 7:3</a>). There is no reason to make the 144,000 any more restricted than that. If you are a servant of the living God, you are one of the 144,000 mentioned here. In Revelation, the phrase “servants of God” always refers to all of God’s redeemed people, not just an ethnic Jewish remnant (see 1:1; 2:20; 19:2; 19:5; 22:3).</p>
<p><strong>Fourth</strong>, the 144,000 mentioned later in chapter 14 are those who have been “redeemed from the earth” and those who were “purchased from among men.” This is generic everybody kind of language. The 144,000 is a symbolic number of redeemed drawn from all peoples, not simply the Jews. Besides, if the number is not symbolic then what do we do with <a href="http://biblia.com/bible/esv/Revelation%2014.4" target="_blank">Revelation 14:4</a> which describes the 144,000 as those “who have not defiled themselves with women”? Are we to think that the 144,000 refers to a chosen group of celibate Jewish men? It makes more sense to realize that 144,000 is a symbolic number that is described as celibate men to highlight the group’s moral purity and set-apartness for spiritual battle.</p>
<p><strong>Fifth</strong>, the last reason for thinking that the 144,000 is the entire community of the redeemed is because of the highly stylized list of tribes in verses 5-8. The number itself is stylized. It’s not to be taken literally. It’s 12 x 12 x 1000—12 being the number of completion for God’s people (representing the 12 tribes of Israel and the 12 apostles of the Lamb) and 1000 being a generic number suggesting a great multitude. So 144,000 is a way of saying all of God’s people under the old and new covenant.</p>
<p>And then look at the list of the tribes. There are over a dozen different arrangements of the twelve tribes in the Bible. This one is unique among all of those. Judah is listed first because Jesus was from there as a lion of the tribe of Judah. All twelve of Jacob’s sons are listed—including Levi who usually wasn’t because he didn’t inherit any land-except for one. Manasseh, Joseph’s son (Jacob’s grandson), is listed in place of Dan. So why not Dan? Dan was left out in order to point to the purity of the redeemed church. From early in Israel’s history, Dan was the center of idolatry for the kingdom (<a href="http://biblia.com/bible/esv/Judges%2018.30-31" target="_blank">Judges 18:30-31</a>). During the days of the divided kingdom, Dan was one of two centers for idolatry (<a href="http://biblia.com/bible/esv/1%20Kings%2012.28-30" target="_blank">1 Kings 12:28-30</a>). And there is recorded in some non-Biblical Jewish writings that the Jews thought the anti-Christ would come out of Dan based on <a href="http://biblia.com/bible/esv/Genesis%2049.17" target="_blank">Genesis 49:17</a>. The bottom line is that the number and the list and the order of the tribes are all stylized to depict the totality of God’s pure and perfectly redeemed servants from all time over all the earth. That’s what Revelation means by the 144,000.</p>
<p><a href="http://thegospelcoalition.org/blogs/kevindeyoung/">[HT. Kevin DeYoung]</a></p>
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		<title>I&#8217;m Writing My Own Bible Version. Which Church In Fort McMurray Will Use It?</title>
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		<description><![CDATA[Hey all. Just wanted to give everyone an update on a project I&#8217;m working on.  I&#8217;ve started the process of creating my own Bible version of the New Testament. I&#8217;ve tentatively titled it the Dustin Germain Standard Bible, [or DGSB] and am about halfway through writing out the book of Collosians, which will be available [...]<img alt="" border="0" src="http://stats.wordpress.com/b.gif?host=thepaperthinhymn.com&amp;blog=9128757&amp;post=3008&amp;subd=thehasbeenhymn&amp;ref=&amp;feed=1" width="1" height="1" />]]></description>
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<p>Hey all. Just wanted to give everyone an update on a project I&#8217;m working on.  I&#8217;ve started the process of creating my own Bible version of the New Testament. I&#8217;ve tentatively titled it the <strong>Dustin Germain Standard Bible</strong>, [or DGSB] and am about halfway through writing out the book of Collosians, which will be available as a free downloadable PDF in the near future.  The purposes for writing this has been multifaceted. For one thing, I decided that the Bibles I typically use, the ESV, the NASB and the NRSV aren&#8217;t dynamic or relevant enough. The language is a bit too exact and precise for my liking.  I thought of using the Message Bible, but to be honest I&#8217;m not entirely satisfied with the Message Bible. It was a good attempt, but I think my translation can serve as a better medium for finding that common ground between the two. For example, in Collosians 2:8-10, the &#8220;original Greek&#8221; says this :</p>
<blockquote><p>βλέπετε μή τις ὑμᾶς ἔσται ὁ συλαγωγῶν διὰ τῆς φιλοσοφίας καὶ κενῆς ἀπάτης κατὰ τὴν παράδοσιν τῶν ἀνθρώπων κατὰ τὰ στοιχεῖα τοῦ κοσμοῦ καὶ οὐ κατὰ Χριστόν ὅτι ἐν αὐτῷ κατοικεῖ πᾶν τὸ πλήρωμα τῆς θεότητος σωματικῶς, καὶ ἐστὲ ἐν αὐτῷ πεπληρωμένοι, ὅς ἐστιν ἡ κεφαλὴ πάσης ἀρχῆς καὶ ἐξουσίας.</p></blockquote>
<p>The ESV, which is a formal equivalent literal translation,  renders it as:</p>
<blockquote><p><em>&#8220;See to it that no one takes you captive by philosophy and empty deceit, according to human tradition, according to the elemental spirits of the world, and not according to Christ. For in him the whole fullness of deity dwells bodily, and you have been filled in him, who is the head of all rule and authority&#8221;</em></p></blockquote>
<p>Whereas the Message Bible, a pseudo-dynamic equivalent  translations reads:</p>
<blockquote><p><em>“Watch out for people who try to dazzle you with big words and intellectual double-talk. They want to drag you off into endless arguments that never amount to anything. They spread their ideas through the empty traditions of human beings and the empty superstitions of spirit beings. But that’s not the way of Christ. Everything of God gets expressed in him, so you can see and hear him clearly. You don’t need a telescope, a microscope, or a horoscope to realize the fullness of Christ, and the emptiness of the universe without him. When you come to him, that fullness comes together for you, too. His power extends over everything</em>.”</p></blockquote>
<p>That&#8217;s a big difference in word count alone- the Message gets 110 and the ESV gets 57. My translation is not as flamboyant or creative as the Message Bible, but I think it does a good job in offering a readable, contemporary alternative which people might appreciate. The Dustin Germain Standard Bible reads:</p>
<blockquote><p><em>&#8220;Take care to ensure that no one seizes you captive through empty deception and philosophies- which rely on human traditions and are according to the elemental spiritual forces of the world and don&#8217;t rely on Christ. For in Christ the entire fullness of deity lives bodily, and you have been filled up in Him, who is the head of all authority and rule&#8221;</em></p></blockquote>
<p>My translation has only 64 words, and while similar word count alone does not mean its a good or accurate translation or Bible version, it does suggest less interpolations. Furthermore, while it may not have the addition of all the friendly little flourishes [or jots and tittles, as some might call them] that Eugene Peterson liberally peppered his text with, I think it still does a good job at conveying the thrust of the point.</p>
<p>For that reason I&#8217;ll also be looking for some Churches and pastors to partner with to help promote my translation. There are at least two Churches in the city who have made it a habit to utilize the Message Bible as one of their main translations, and have even had services where the preaches have exegeted it. I think those two are my best bet for furthering and developing this project. I&#8217;m not sure the exact timetable for when this will be launched, or if they are willing to commit to my project, but I hope they would. In fact, I  can&#8217;t think of a single good reasons why they might be adverse to using it.</p>
<p>Some well meaning friends have suggested that there might be a bit of push back. They have said that when people see the Bible verse on the powerpoint slide, replete with a mountain scene in the background and a &#8220;<strong>Dustin Germain Standard Bible</strong>&#8221; tacked on to the end, that after the congregants puzzlingly try to comprehend what a DGSB is,  they will grow upset and resentful. I&#8217;ve anticipated that critique and having given it some thought, am quite frankly not concerned at all. I don&#8217;t think anyone will voice those objections or think that. No one is going to care that they are reading my translation when I laud and promote it as a fresh new way to read the scriptures. They don&#8217;t do it to the Message Bible, so why on earth would they do it to mine?</p>
<p>So can I count on the pastors and preachers of Fort Murray to help me with this endeavor? Will you start using it from your pulpits? I will be contacting you all shortly to get your support and endorsements for this project. I  hope to see the DGSB quoted in your sermons very soon, and based on your already existing usage of the Message Bible, I am confident that I will receive it your hearty endorsements of my version with a &#8220;yea&#8221; and &#8220;amen&#8221;.</p>
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		<title>Joel Osteen Quote</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Jan 2012 16:47:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>Spiritual bang for my buck: which charities get my money?</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Dec 2011 13:17:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I have been receiving lots of invitations to donate my money over the past few months. It seems that wherever I go I am being entreated to give to some fund or charity, and my mail is rife with letters asking for donations to this cause or that.  People inside the grocery store asking to [...]<img alt="" border="0" src="http://stats.wordpress.com/b.gif?host=thepaperthinhymn.com&amp;blog=9128757&amp;post=2999&amp;subd=thehasbeenhymn&amp;ref=&amp;feed=1" width="1" height="1" />]]></description>
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<p>I have been receiving lots of invitations to donate my money over the past few months. It seems that wherever I go I am being entreated to give to some fund or charity, and my mail is rife with letters asking for donations to this cause or that.  People inside the grocery store asking to purchase SARS calendars for thirty dollars. Teenage boys and girls at the checkout lines who will help you bag your items if you donate to their sports teams. Mailers asking me to help buy a Christmas turkey dinner for the homeless of the city. Mailers asking me to help elderly Jews by either buying them a meal, or helping them return to Israel. Cashiers at the registers of retail stores asking me to donate to breast cancer research, multiple sclerosis and other debilitating illnesses. Cashiers at the registers asking me to donate to school supplies for needy children, the SPCA, or to give towards the Special Olympics. The requests are everywhere, and it can be exhausting.</p>
<p>Whereas I used to give a little bit here and there, I&#8217;ve since stopped doing that. Some charities I refuse to support on principle [anything to do with pink ribbons and Susan G Komen] but I&#8217;ve become increasingly selective over the years, to the point that I&#8217;ll ignore 95% of requests outright for one simple reason.<em> I do not see any eternal value in doing so.</em> Because my labors and income is a gift from God, I want to be a good steward of it. I don&#8217;t want to  be unwise in deciding where it goes and who receives it. I only have a limited amount of it, and so I want to ensure that it yields an eternal value wherever it is spent. For this reason, unless there is a Christocentric component, I will not give.</p>
<p>Case in point; the Special Olympics. Why would I give fifty dollars to this group when that money could feed and support a missionary in some parts of the world for several months? Where is the eternal utilitarian value of paying for an athletes hotel room or for his airfare so they can participate in a particular sport, when that same money could be used to purchase ministry tools for those who don&#8217;t have access to them, or could be used to feed and shelter a struggling missionary who is preaching the gospel to the unsaved? Where is the value?</p>
<p>I could give to my local SPCA, and at their request make donations to ensure that the animals are properly fed while they await to be adopted, that administrative and advertising costs are covered, and that they can buy enough sodium thiopental to put their animals to sleep. Or I could donate the money to various Christian organizations who print and smuggle in bibles to closed nations and persecuted Christians.</p>
<p>I could give my money to a homeless shelter or food bank that feeds and clothes and provides financial and physical support for those who need it, or I could give to a homeless shelter and food bank that does all those things as well as makes it a priority to preach the gospel and include a component of Christian evangelism to the services they are providing.I would never, ever give to the former, but I would happily give to the latter.</p>
<p>Ultimately I want to be wise and use my money in a way that will tangibly and practically further the kingdom of Christ. Its not wrong to give to all those organizations, but neither do I think it is particularly beneficial, especially for the Christian who ought to set his sights on different priorities and purposes in giving. Why give to an organization that seeks to only address the physical and emotional needs of someone when you can give to organizations which seek to address both physical and spiritual needs? Where is the eternal perspective on giving? Where is the biblical theology of money? I think it needs to be present at all times, and I think we need to be much more aware of it.</p>
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		<title>Apostles Church NYC Album</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 10 Dec 2011 05:26:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The Apostles Church NYC has put out a wonderful album. They have freely made it available for live streaming, and one of my favorite songs of theirs is here. The whole album Love Came Through download can be purchased for 10$. Check them out!<img alt="" border="0" src="http://stats.wordpress.com/b.gif?host=thepaperthinhymn.com&amp;blog=9128757&amp;post=2987&amp;subd=thehasbeenhymn&amp;ref=&amp;feed=1" width="1" height="1" />]]></description>
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<p>The Apostles Church NYC has put out a wonderful album. They have freely made it available for live streaming, and one of my favorite songs of theirs is<a href="http://apostleschurch.bandcamp.com/track/apostles-creed"> here</a>. The whole album <em>Love Came Through</em> download can be purchased for 10$. Check them out!</p>
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		<title>Great John Piper Quote</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Dec 2011 04:04:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[“The ultimate good of the gospel is seeing and savoring the beauty and value of God. God’s wrath and our sin obstruct that vision and that pleasure. You can’t see and savor God as supremely satisfying while you are full of rebellion against Him and He is full of wrath against you. The removal of [...]<img alt="" border="0" src="http://stats.wordpress.com/b.gif?host=thepaperthinhymn.com&amp;blog=9128757&amp;post=2984&amp;subd=thehasbeenhymn&amp;ref=&amp;feed=1" width="1" height="1" />]]></description>
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<div>“The ultimate good of the gospel is seeing and savoring the beauty and value of God. God’s wrath and our sin obstruct that vision and that pleasure. You can’t see and savor God as supremely satisfying while you are full of rebellion against Him and He is full of wrath against you. The removal of this wrath and this rebellion is what the gospel is for. The ultimate aim of the gospel is the display of God’s glory and the removal of every obstacle to our seeing it and savoring it as our highest treasure. “Behold Your God!” is the most gracious command and the best gift of the gospel. If we do not see Him and savor Him as our greatest fortune, we have not obeyed or believed the gospel.”<br />
― <a href="http://www.goodreads.com/author/show/25423.John_Piper">John Piper</a>, <em> <a href="http://www.goodreads.com/work/quotes/265689">God Is the Gospel: Meditations on God&#8217;s Love as the Gift of Himself</a> </em></div>
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		<title>Letting The Young Men Preach</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 03 Dec 2011 21:34:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I know of a group of churches that do something especially awesome. Every two weeks the young men in the Churches, along with the elders to oversee and anyone else who wants to attend, get together and practice preaching for a couple of hours. That is, they meet at each others churches and everyone gets [...]<img alt="" border="0" src="http://stats.wordpress.com/b.gif?host=thepaperthinhymn.com&amp;blog=9128757&amp;post=2979&amp;subd=thehasbeenhymn&amp;ref=&amp;feed=1" width="1" height="1" />]]></description>
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<p>I know of a group of churches that do something especially awesome. Every two weeks the young men in the Churches, along with the elders to oversee and anyone else who wants to attend, get together and practice preaching for a couple of hours. That is, they meet at each others churches and everyone gets 10 minutes to preach whatever they want. Some are boys in their teens, others are young men in their twenties, and some are other assorted congregation members who want to get an opportunity to preach and teach.</p>
<p>The benefits of this sort of affair though are numerous. It serves as a training ground and functions as an outlet for their zeal , it gives the elders an opportunity to correct and rebuke any false beliefs and teachings that these young men and boys might have and/or introduce to others, it is an opportunity of testing to hone their talents, to practice dictation, precision, sermon structure, thesis composition, and their homiliteical skills, is a great way to embolden the men and help develop their confidence, and  serves as a way for the Church leadership to pinpoint burgeoning leaders who might teach classes, home groups, Sunday school, bible studies, weekday services, etc.</p>
<p>I think this is a phenomenal  idea and something I wish I could attend, both as a listener and as a preacher. In fact that would easily be something that I would look forward to with great delight- even if I could just hear these people, all with varying passion, skill and giftings, preach their hearts out.  Because when I consider the activities and programs of Churches  in this city, I don&#8217;t know of many who are doing this- who are actively training the men to teach and preach. Are they? I have a decent idea of what most churches in this city are up to- is this something that is on their radar? And not that example exactly, but there is so much emphasis on making people &#8220;disciples&#8221; but how much emphasis is given to actively developing preachers and teachers?  It seems to me that its important to do.  It requires no money, no resources, and yet would yield great results and fruits.</p>
<p><strong>So what do you all think? Would you attend such an event? What are your churches doing to actively develop preachers and teachers?</strong></p>
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		<title>I hate it when God &#8220;shows up.&#8221;</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Nov 2011 05:48:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I remember when I used to go to Christian retreats/festivals/revivals/conferences. I used to love them so much. They were quiet times of reflection, a time to spend in unabashed and unashamed camaraderie with fellow believers. More importantly though, they always had great music. I knew without a doubt that the evenings would be intense. It [...]<img alt="" border="0" src="http://stats.wordpress.com/b.gif?host=thepaperthinhymn.com&amp;blog=9128757&amp;post=2967&amp;subd=thehasbeenhymn&amp;ref=&amp;feed=1" width="1" height="1" />]]></description>
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<p>I remember when I used to go to Christian retreats/festivals/revivals/conferences. I used to love them so much. They were quiet times of reflection, a time to spend in unabashed and unashamed camaraderie with fellow believers. More importantly though, they always had great music. I knew without a doubt that the evenings would be intense. It would be a kamikaze of blue lights, key changes, tears, sweat, and a 23 minute rendition of  Michael W Smith&#8217;s<a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0eOWf8vfZJY"> <em>Let it rain</em></a>.  It is a collusion of blood, bone and brain matter; fused with flickering lights, heat, glowsticks and D-chords. The synapses are firing. The skin is getting prickly. It would leave me on my knees, my chest heaving  and my body crumpled on the floor because I could not stand the weight of the glory of God in the room. The air was too thick with it. It was too much for my heart and legs to bear.</p>
<p>In the aftermath, in the stillness with our spiritual afterbirth, we would reflect on the experience as we rode home in the dark in buses and vans. It was a quiet time of holy reverence for what we had just gone through. As we came out of our shells and began to talk,  we would always agree on the same thing, that the music was awesome and that &#8220;God showed up.&#8221;   Later on during the next morning service, the Pastor would call up one or two of us teen representatives on stage to talk about our time there. We would invariably share the same thing, that it was a fantastic life changing experience, and that &#8221; God showed up&#8221;.</p>
<p>But why did we say that? Its because since we were little, we&#8217;ve been conditioned by the Church and the purveyors of modern evangelicalism to believe that emotional experiences are equated to a spiritual experience. That they are interrelated and interchangeable. That if you have an emotional response to a song or to an atmosphere, that God is there and at working. I can&#8217;t remember a time when that wasn&#8217;t taught, either explicitly or tacitly. They might not outright say it, but their actions scream it. Music is a powerful thing, all the much more when it is consecrated with the Holy Spirit and imbued with spiritual words and meaning. That&#8217;s why I can remember how I felt every single time conference,  but I can&#8217;t tell you what was preached on. I could walk someone through minute by minute of a two hour worship set during certain retreats, but I couldn&#8217;t you what scriptures they used to preach on for 15 minutes afterward, other than 2 Chronicles 7:14 [but only because everyone always uses that verse]</p>
<p>Do I think God shows up? Absolutely, but listen- he ALWAYS SHOWS UP. God is there at every Church service. Every prayer group. Every congregational meeting. Every Bible study. God is there and has shown up, and he has shown himself relentlessly faithful to do so. He is an omniscient, omnipresent deity whose Spirit lives inside of us, present in nearly every way possible as we gather together as believers and as his children.  It is a wonderful, beautiful and precious thing, and yes, that can be an emotional thing. But he is never far from us. So why is it I&#8217;ve never heard anyone say that God &#8220;really showed up&#8221; during a Bible study through the book of 1 Samuel?  Why is it that no one says that God &#8220;showed up&#8221; during a Sunday school lecture on the penal substitution atonement?</p>
<p>Why is it that God only &#8220;shows up&#8221; when we&#8217;re jumping up and down with arms raised? Why does he only &#8220;show up&#8221; when our hearts are beating fast and when we&#8217;re engulfed in a heightened emotional state? Is it a more powerful manifestation, or a more palpable iteration? Why make these artificial distinctions when there is no objective basis for doing so? I&#8217;ve heard some of the most idolatrous, blasphemous things said at certain conferences where God &#8220;really showed up&#8221;. I&#8217;ve bit my lip during certain songs that contained the most vilely irreverent lyrics where God &#8220;showed up&#8221;. I&#8217;ve heard heretics bastardize the scriptures and manipulate them into every theological grotesquerie at retreats where God really, really &#8220;showed up&#8221;. What has &#8220;showing up&#8221; come to mean?</p>
<p>Why is there so much emphasis on getting people to this emotional state and then constantly reinforcing the meaning and significance of this state? Why is so much money, energy, and ministry resources dedicated to creating occasions where people can have these experiences? Are these experiences spiritual by virtue of their very existence? How can this constant reinforcement of &#8220;experience = meeting God&#8221; be healthy for anybody who wants to grow and be sanctified? What happens when the thrill, the flush and the buzz go away? What theological monsters and biblical confusions are being created in the mind of a man who can&#8217;t distinguish them, and in fact doesn&#8217;t want to? What happens when they get tired of chasing the high and come to the conclusion that loss of experiential high means that they&#8217;ve been abandoned by God? That the burnout means that God is no longer showing up? That the angst and terror of depression and spiritual desolation is proof positive that they&#8217;ve been severed from Christ and betrayed by His love?</p>
<p>What happens then? Will God &#8220;show up&#8221; or will He show up?</p>
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		<title>Posting Domestic Abuse Hotlines In The Ladies Bathroom At Church?</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 19 Nov 2011 17:13:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I know of a large Church where a church committee made up of both men and women wanted to post a domestic abuse hotline in the ladies&#8217; bathroom at the church.  The committee approached the pastors and the elders for their approval and the pastors denied their request. In response to hearing about this, certain [...]<img alt="" border="0" src="http://stats.wordpress.com/b.gif?host=thepaperthinhymn.com&amp;blog=9128757&amp;post=2957&amp;subd=thehasbeenhymn&amp;ref=&amp;feed=1" width="1" height="1" />]]></description>
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<p>I know of a large Church where a church committee made up of both men and women wanted to post a <strong>domestic abuse hotline</strong> in the ladies&#8217; bathroom at the church.  The committee approached the pastors and the elders for their approval and the pastors denied their request. In response to hearing about this, certain people have become visibly upset, saying that this demonstrates all sorts of evil intentions, specifically that the Church doesn&#8217;t care about women, that they are tacitly encouraging abuse, that this is evidence of male headship and submission gone awry, and a host of other things. Their reasoning for these charges is simple[ish]; they don&#8217;t believe there could be a good reason for the Church leadership [all men] to deny their request.</p>
<p><strong>What do you all think? Are there legitimate reasons why the church might deny their request? Do you think its a good idea to post something like this in the bathroom? If they denied the request, does this necessarily mean that they are tacitly encouraging abuse?If you were on that committee how would you feel? Discuss!</strong></p>
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