When you can’t trust your Church bookstore

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I recently had the opportunity to check out a local Church’s church bookstore. Perusing their selection got me thinking;

What is the purpose of a church bookstore? Apart from being a small source of revenue, which undoubtedly must be the secondary or even tertiary purpose, I would have imagined that it would be a place where you honor and glorify Christ by presenting to your congregation the best books that they can read to build their faith. This should represent what the pastor, elders and church leadership recommend as being the most thoughtful, engaging, edifying, provoking, and biblically faithful resources that they can give their members in order to build their sanctification and help them understand the purposes and character of God.

As a pastors job is to shepherd the flock and feed them God’s word, a bookstore [or even a church library- they have the exact same purpose] can serve as a small part of that. During the sermon you should be teaching doctrine that will more or less agree the theology being espouse in a bookstore, and likewise the books compliment the messages being preached from the pulpit. Simply put; the very act of stocking certain books and authors is a implicit and tacit endorsement of that authors theology. The books in the bookstore function like little sermons and teaching lessons that you are unable to deliver, but would like to. When you carry certain books, you are telling your flock “we want you to read this books, and we agree with what is being taught.” Not only that, but you are saying that the book is safe, that the theology can be trusted, and that you support what is being written about. Unlike a for-profit bookstore, the motivations are a little different.

Given this, every book should be vetted by either the pastor, elders, or a qualified layperson who understands law and gospel, sin and grace, and knows how to properly handle the scriptures so that they can, in the words of Chris Rosebrough “Compare what people are saying in the name of God to the word of God.” You don’t have to agree with everything that the author says, in this book or in others they have, however.  The purpose is not to nitpick every tiny minutia that the book relates, but rather to determine if they authors are being faithful to the scriptures in their exegesis, interpretation, extrapolation and application, so that you can feel confident that you have your due diligence in caring for people’s souls.

So why do so many Church bookstores or lending libraries have such rotten books? And not to put too fine a point on it, but why do so many churches sell books from authors who are either heretics, flaming heretics, false teachers, bible twisters, narcegetes [narcissistic eisegeters] and every other variety of bizarre purveyors of theological poison?  These are books where it can be demonstrably and objectively proven that the authors are misusing God’s word, and that they are teaching things that can’t either can’t be found in scripture, or that scripture condemns.

They should be places where you can let your guard down, not have to raise it up. They should be places where you can learn about biblical prayer without being exposed to gnostic witchcraft involving a mythical figures named Honi and circlemaking practices. They should be places where you can learn to see Jesus in the Old Testament and not be a breeding ground for teaching you how to make the Bible about you so that you can narcisistically insert yourself into the text. They should be places where you can read about the glories and mysteries of heaven, as revealed in scriptures, and not have some five year old boy regale you with delusions and lies about how “for real” he thinks heaven is.

The bookstore is where you learn about how to manage your finances well so that you can give sacrificially to the Church and to your neighbour.  Its not a place where you should find yourself exposed to the health and wealth/prosperity gospel- the theological abortion that would feed on your greed and  lust of the world as it chains you to the lie that is the “american dream”.  The bookstore should be a places where you get a clear articulation of the gospel and the forgiveness of sins that Christ has provided for you on the cross through his death and resurrection, not where you die on the altar of self-esteem. Its not supposed to be a place that leaves you embroiled in “moralistic therapeutic deism” by enslaving you to Christless Christianity by a man with big shiny teeth who will drag you to hell as he smiles and talks about “your best life now.” The bookstore ought to build your sanctification, not your self esteem. Promote the sure word of the faith delivered “once for all”, not mysticism and spiritual whimsicality.

From a personal standpoint, when I see that sort of thing, it demonstrates to me that the church leadership is not acting with wisdom and discernment. It show they are failing to be watchmen and good shepherds over their flocks. This is because they are allowing and encouraging into their midsts purveyors of scriptural strychnine . How then can I submit to them and trust them to feed my soul on a Sunday morning when they’re giving the enemy the knife to slit my throat the other six days of the week? I’m not saying they don’t love the Lord or love people, but in a way they are showing hatred towards their brothers and sisters by exposing them to the worst that Christianity has to offer. I instinctually question how committed they are to be sound teachers and exegetes of the Word when they tolerate the sloppy molestation of that very same Word by other preachers and teachers in their own homes.

What say you? Do you trust your Church bookstore?

Commenting on a comment about McMurray Church Kids

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A few days [weeks? eep!] I wrote a post about a conversation with a kid in my town who attends a certain Church in the area. As they had been attending a while, I asked them some questions about their faith. The premise is simple; Christians should know the basics of their faith. I wasn’t expecting them to wax eloquent on the virtues of supralapsarianism soteriology, but they should know what the gospel is, right?

If they were indeed saved, then that means that Christ took them from darkness to light, ripped out their heart of stone and put in a heart of flesh. They went from being slaves to sin, to slaves of Christ.  Salvation is more than giving these lost souls a new change in perspective or a new outlook on life. You’re not just offering them a new god to believe in, or a few suggestions so that they might have a more fulfilling life, or even granting them validation to live a life of contented moral deism. Instead, real repentance and faith in Christ is a radical restructuring of their existence. It is the crumbling of their world and the rebuilding of a new and better one. It is the destruction of their previous worldview, the death of their spirit, and the regeneration of a new man. They are being ripped out of the life they thought they knew and are being born again.

To not understand this or be able to articulate this, even at its most basic level, is really, really troubling. If you can go through that whole process and not be able to even explain what role Jesus played it in you being saved, then something is terminally wrong. And for someone to supposedly experience this, and then not be able to tell anyone else anything about it, or be able to direct others to the freedom in Christ and the way of eternal life, is a damning indictment. It just is.

In light of my probing this question, I received this comment in the combox:

 “Its obvious you are trying to discourage the general public from attending this congregation. I am assuming you call yourself a Christian. In which case shouldn’t you be trying to witness to people not going about finding fault or do you think by doing this you are causing anyone to be saved. Pretending to be genuinely interested in someone’s opinion only to criticize them or their church openly is definely not Christian behavior! By the way this is a great church with people that love God.”

Speaking to you directly; I don’t think its obvious that I’m discouraging anyone from attending this congregation.  If I were, I would name the congregation publicly and tell people that very thing. Furthermore, because I am a Christian, I believe it is incumbent upon me to do so. I take my lead from these verses

“I charge you in the presence of God and of Christ Jesus, who is to judge the living and the dead, and by his appearing and his kingdom:  preach the word; be ready in season and out of season; reprove, rebuke, and exhort, with complete patience and teaching. For the time is coming when people will not endure sound teaching, but having itching ears they will accumulate for themselves teachers to suit their own passions, and will turn away from listening to the truth and wander off into myths. As for you, always be sober-minded, endure suffering, do the work of an evangelist, fulfill your ministry.”

It would seem that you have no tolerance for those who would do this, even though this is what we are called to do. Nor do you seemingly believe there is anything wrong with not knowing anything about the faith, or if it is wrong then we definitely don’t want to point that out, right?  It would be one thing for these kids to simply not know- which is terrible in and of itself, but its another thing to ignorantly tell people the exact opposite thing. In light of this shocking reality, for you to go on the offensive and rail about “not criticizing” is misplaced at best and destructive at worst. It is not loving at all, in the true sense of the word, and it ultimately demonstrates that you are the one who doesn’t care about these kids, even though I would hope that is not your intention.

Is this Church a good church? I think so. Because I have not said which Church it is, you have no way of knowing whether or not they are a great church.  I listen to their sermons every week and I usually see Christ exalted and worshiped, but that doesn’t always work itself down in the ways that it needs to. Something is amiss here  and somewhere something is breaking down. This is an inescapable fact. If the three Church kids I’ve encountered have have no idea even what they are talking about and can’t tell you what the gospel is or who Jesus is and what role he plays in salvation, or even how to be saved, after attending this Church for years and years, then their spiritual maturity is not a priority, and they are letting these kids down.

Recent encounter with A Fort McMurray Church kid #3

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I was at a certain place recently when I saw a young man who was wearing a “Christian shirt.” That is to say, this shirt read “God is in control” and in fact, is the very shirt featured above. Naturally I found this very intriguing and struck up a conversation with him. The kid was about 15-16 years old, kinda scruffy and gangly, but was open to a bit of conversation. I know that when I was younger and I would wear such shirts, I could only have dreamed that someone would stop me on the streets and say “Tell me about the hope that lies within.” That was the ultimate fantasy, and if that kid was anything like me, then he would have been stoked to find himself in a bona-fide witnessing encounter.

Let’s see how he did. The following is a very, very exact approximation of what was said.

Me. “Hey, that’s a cool shirt. I like the Nintendo logo”

Him. “Thanks”

Me. “What does it mean, exactly?”

Him “Oh, you know, that God’s always watching out for you and looking out for you.”

Me. “Are you a Christian”

Him. “I am”

Me. “Do you go to a Church around here, or a youth group around here?”

Him. “Yes, I go to ____________________________ [name withheld to protect the guilty/innocent. However, let it be known that so far  all these kids have gone to the same  Church. Dun Dun Dun!]

Me. “I hope you don’t mind me asking this, but what do Christians believe?”

Him. “We believe in God and stuff”

Me. “Oh. I kinda figured that. But like…what is a Christian?”

Him. “A Christian is someone who follows God”

Me. “I see. So if I wanted to be a Christian, what would I have to do, or believe?”

Him. “You have to follow the Bible, and be a good person.”

Me. “Are you a good person?”

Him. “Of course”

Me. “Isn’t everybody a good person?”

Him. “Most people are, yeah”

Me. “So to be a Christian, I really only have to follow the Bible”

Him. “Yeah”

Me. “What kinds of things do I have to follow?

Him. “You have to follow the 10 commandments, like don’t steal and swear,”

Me. “And then I’ll be a Christian?”

Him. “Yeah, pretty much. And you have to love God.”

Me. “I see.  Can I just love God in my own way, and try to be a good person? Do I have to be a Christian to go to heaven, or can I kind of do my own thing, as long as God knows that I love him?”

Him. “I guess you can, yeah, but you want to be a Christian, because then if you have faith you can get blessings.”

Me. “What kind of blessings?”

Him. “Like a better life. Better relationships. More peace. Less problems”

Me. “So I could be a Muslim or a Hindu, and as long as I love God, I will still go to heaven.”

Him.  “I think so, yeah, but I’m not sure. “

Me. “Cool. One more question; what is the gospel? I heard that word before. What does it mean?”

Him. “The gospel is what I was talking about”

Me. “So the gospel is about following the 10 commandments and being a good person?”

Him. “Yeah, exactly.”

Me. “Ok. thanks. It was nice to meet you. Have a nice day.”

So how did he do? If you were this kids’ pastor or elder, would you be pleased with the teaching that he is receiving? How is that youth-group working out for him?” Drop a line in the combox.

Alliance Church Clothing Swap Shindig of 2013

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Last month the Fort McMurray Alliance Church had a clothing swap of sorts. The idea was that you bring some clothes to give to others, and then pick up whatever clothes you need for yourself. Everything was completely free. Nothing was sold. My wife and I went down after work and we dropped off four garbage bags full of clothing that we culled from our closets, and then then next morning we arrived bright and early ready to roll.

We are expecting our first child, and so we dove into the girl/infant clothing. My contribution mostly consisted of holding up different items, to which my wife either scrunched her nose at and shook her head, or beamed a smile and reach out her hand to put into her bag. After about 30 minutes,  we managed to grab two grocery bags stuffed with onesies, socks, receiving blankets, little skirts and dresses, and a host of other things. It was a bounty, and it saved us hundreds of dollars if we had to buy everything new.

[On an amusing note, my wife had a favourite shirt that she had purchased years ago. It shrunk in the wash, so she hardly wore it. But. Lo and behold.  Mixed in with the women's clothing, was the exact same shirt one size up. She snatched it up, was joyful, and spent the rest of the week talking about "what a good score" she got.]

But as a whole- what a wonderful idea. I had never heard of it before and found it to be a unique gift to the community When you actually got there, you were almost overwhelmed by the sheer number of clothes. It was pretty obvious by the quality of clothing that we got, that the ones giving were not skimping on what items they chose to donate.  And not only clothing, but toys, small appliances, household items, etc.

If I had one complaint its that there wasn’t enough room! The sanctuary was divided into different areas, and they took the time to label all the different sizes and kinds of clothing. You had 0-3 months baby boy clothes over here, men’s pants XXL over there, women’s medium shirts over here, belts against the wall, and so on and so forth. We were digging 12 layers deep, and even then we probably missed half the stuff. The volunteers who took the time to sort and divide and fold it all are to be commended- it was not an easy task.

I overheard several people talk about how great it was, and how there were so many wonderful clothes. It was bustling when I was there, and when I left there were still mountains of clothing.

The whole thing just struck me as a great way for the Fort McMurray Alliance Church to serve their neighbors and as a way to be practically mission-minded in the community. I don’t know what percentage were church folk and what percentage were just Fort McMurrayites who had heard about it. For their sake I hope the numbers were bent towards the unchurched, but it really was a phenomenal idea any way you cut it. I  left the event reflecting on how killer it was and hoping there is one next year. It was a great way to show love, and I think a lot of people definitely got that.

Podcasts I listen to, with a brief snippet on each one.

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In case anyone was wondering who I am listening to, and what podcasts I am influenced by, Here is my setlist that I listen to every week.

1. The Dividing Line

Fantastic apologetic resource, as well as my source and inspiration for proper exegesis and handling of the biblical text. This is my favorite podcast and the one I look forward to the most. I admire James White’s keen mind and it seems near encyclopedic memory of…well…..everything. This is clearly a man who has thought through things many times, and who has such a wonderful understanding of the doctrines of grace and is able to articulate them and defend them the best.

2. Fighting for the Faith

Another favorite of mine. This is the flagship of Pirate Christian Radio, helmed by the captain himself, Chris Rosebrough. This is a good apologetic podcast as well, but I like it primary for the way he addresses current issues in Christian evangelicalism today. It’s all about discernment with this one, and how to discern. While I’m not a Lutheran, I definitely value the framework that he approaches things through, whether its dealing with seeker sensitive churches, wacky charismatic, dominionists, free spirited William Tapley sorts, emergent church players, and everything else in between. The whole idea of “compare what people are saying in the name of the name of God to the word of God” is fantastic, and it doesn’t matter who you are- if you abuse scripture in your sermon, you’re going to get a flag on the play.

3. Berean Bible Church

This one is the odd man out. David Curtis who is the pastor of this Church is a full-blown Calvinist preacher, which I like, but he is also a full-preterist, which I actively don’t like and consider it heresy. It’s an odd combination, and can often be unnerving. That being said, its impossible to listen to any sermon without being deeply challenged and without learning something. As long as you can be discerning about it, this one will get under your skin, in all the best ways. I particularly like how he does verse-by-verse exegetical preaching, and his sermons always stay very close to the text.

4. The Village Church

Matt Chandlers Church. This is one of the first podcasts I listened to which got me into reformed theology. Matt is an amazingly charismatic guy who has the most impressive gift of communication I’ve seen from a pastor. Very funny and occasionally provocative, he is one of the most quotable pastors I know. He has a way of taking biblical concepts and speaking about them in a way that everyone can relate to. It is contextualization in the best possible way.

5. Dr James White Sermons

This is the Sunday school sermons playlist from the Phoenix Reformed Baptist Church, which James White is a co-elder. They’ve been going through the book of Hebrews now for years, and are currently talking about the sacrifice of Issac. This is a deep, extremely thorough handling of the word, routinely going into the greek and into textual variants in the texts, and everything else. It’s impossible to listen to without thinking “that’s about the deepest and most direct handling of the text that I’ve ever encountered.

6. No Compromise Radio

The Brain child of Mike Abendroth and guest starring Tuesday guy, their motto is “always biblical, always provocative, always in that order.” You have a mix of interviews, discussions on current issues, various zany interactions, clips from his sermons, and also most commonly are the topical ones, where they discuss controversial topics. The one downside is that this podcast is recorded weeks if not months and advance, and so it’s arely current when they are discussing current events, but its a snappy 22 minutes a pop, and cover my drives down to work and back.

7. White Horse Inn.

Great Podcast. You have four men from  different denominational backgrounds having fun discussing culturally relevant theological matters, helping Christians “know what they believe and why they believe it.” You have Michael Horton,  Dr Rod Rosenbladt, Ken Jones and Dr Kim Riddlebarger. I like the interaction and hearing about the agreements and disagreements with four men who are passionate and educated on a subject.

8. Issues Etc.

I don’t visit this one as often as I should I mainly use it for the topics that stand out to me. But this is Christ-centred, cross focussed radio by Todd Wilken, from a distinctly Lutheran perspective. Tons of special guests and guest speakers, and a good potpourri of topics.

9. GTY.

An oldie but a goodie. I’ve been making my way through 40 some years of sermons from John MacArthur, and this is the vehicle by which I do it. You have verse by verse preaching through the entire New Testament, with an emphasis on verse by verse. You’ll get some messages where he discusses just 2 or three verses. You’re talking about a guy who spent 10 years going through the book of Luke, from 1998 to 2008.  Trust me when I say that this is thorough as they come. I’m not there in Luke yet- I’m still in 1986, but I look forward to it, as Luke is my favorite Gospel.

10. JD Hall Sermon Podcast

Just started listening to this one in the last few weeks. This is one passionate man. Right now we’re doing something called “66 Gospels” where he talks bout salvation from Genesis to Revelation. JD Hall is a guy that I really respect and have come to appreciate, and while I haven’t got a good idea of the flavor of his podcast, his sermons have proven to be fantastic, so I have high hopes for this one.

11. I also listen to all the weekly sermons from the MGA, Alliance, FBC and the FCC.

Can Fort McMurray congregants articulate the gospel and other basic tennants of our faith?

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I wrote a post recently about my encounter with a local Church kid [two posts down]. I had the opportunity to speak to him about his faith and about the gospel, and he made a mess of things. In response to this story, one of my commenters wrote this

“The reality is that the MAJORITY of the adults that attend these Institutional Churches have no real understanding of the Gospel or the Cross.

I challenge any of your readers with this: Ask 5 grown adults in ANY Institutional Church, it wont matter what denomination it is, to clearly articulate and lay out for you the basics Tenants of the Faith.”

I think that’s a pretty bold challenge, and one I’ve often thought about. While we know that having an intellectual knowledge of Christian doctrines does not necessarily translate into having a love for God or of having a saved soul, it’s also true that having that intellectual understanding often is  a mark of a deep love for God and for his Word. I think it’s a sign of sanctification and maturity that people know at least the basics- otherwise what on earth are they being taught?

I wrote in a previous post “mush before milk before meat” that it seems that many churches will spend 10 weeks preaching on leadership, or 4 weeks on a sex series sermon, or 12 weeks on finances and 8 weeks on interpersonal relationships, all the while three quarters of their church members are theologically and doctrinally ignorant.

They can tell you all sorts of mystical, magical things about listening to the still, silent voice of God, but they have no conception of how to answer a basic apologetic question, like “where did we get the Bible from, how do we know it’s true, and who decided what books should be in it?”

They can probably tell you about the amazing way they felt during worship, and how God “showed up” this one time, but couldn’t tell you how the Old Testament relates to the New, couldn’t name a single church father, and couldn’t tell you anything about the first 400 years of Church history.

They can tell you about how to narcissistically insert themselves in the Biblical stories as if somehow these stories are about them, but they would run for their lives if asked to explain the Trinity, or God forbid offer even a basic refutation to the theistic challenges of a Muslim, Oneness Pentecostal, or a Jehovah witness.

They can tell you about the awesomeness of the latest books from Joel Osteen,  Joyce Meyers, and any other spiritual lunatic that comes around, but they can’t speak with authority on what the five solas [Fide, Gratie, Scriptura, Christus, Deo Gloria] are, why they matter, and how the relate to each other.

They can tell you about a lot of things, but can they articualte a clear presentation of the Gospel? And how many of them would not only not know, but rather would actively argue against fundamental Christian doctrines like the exclusivity of faith in Christ for salvation, issues of biblical sexuality, the nature of God, the nature of sin and mankind, and a host of other things? How many of them, when pressed, would reveal to have some really bizarre and idolatrous views of Christ and his work and his means?

Its a good question, and speaking from my experience alone, one worthy of deep thought and reflection.

That comment does reveal a pretty good question- namely how many pastors in the local Fort McMurray area would feel confident and comfortable that if they asked ten of their churchgoers five or six questions on very basic doctrinal issues, that their members would give clear, biblically sound responses? How much more so if we asked the teens?

If you’re not a pastor- how do you think your peers and the teens in your own church youth group would do?

How then should we view the Fort McMurray Alliance Church? Part III of III.

The last few weeks I have been working through Brad Jersak’s January 15th sermon at the Alliance Church. As has already been documented in the prior two posts, [Part I and Part II]Brad introduces and argues several heterodox and anti-biblical positions to the congregation, and every indication seems to be that he was able to do so without correction or reproof. I contacted the Alliance Church with a few questions about the sermon. I’ve been listening to their podcasts for several years now and there was no indication that the Church believed or taught these things, and I wanted to ask whether or not they agreed with Brad Jersak and were in the process of advancing these theologies and biblical hermeneutic. They chose not to respond back and as they don’t believe there can be such thing as a godly critic, they don’t intend to ever.

In light of this, the last part of these posts is some points to ponder, as well as the thought of how should we treat the Alliance Church in light of them giving a platform and a voice to what I would consider an extremely toxic and poisonous sermon.

1. I still don’t know how the Alliance Church views this sermon and whether or not they agree with the content. The Alliance Church kept the sermon posted for over a month. It was only in the last week or so, after I posted part II of my review, that they took it down. It you go and look for it you’ll see it missing from their website. This suggests to me that either they do not ultimately support it, or that they do support it and removed it to minimize the controversy. If something is false teaching and heresy, you don’t leave it up for a month. If you don’t agree with it, you don’t post it in the first place! This demonstrates a severe lack of wisdom.

I also note that even though the sermon was preached and posted publicly, that there is no public confession of error. There is no accompanying sermon, message, blog post, or update indicating why they removed it or whether or not they are against it. Have they apologized to their congregation after the fact? Did they take the time the next Sunday to do the research I have done, and set the congregation straight on the Trinity, Church fathers, view of heaven, hell, the character of God and the atonement of Christ? Did they teach on this as a rebuttal to Brad Jersak? It does not seem so, and this is a problem. If you post something publicly, you should denounce it publicly. The fact is that they have not done so, which may lead many conclude that they do indeed support this message and the theological content.

2. The Alliance Church leadership showed a lack of wisdom in inviting Brad Jersak to speak in the first place. Assuming they do not agree with it, they should have done better research on this individual to see what he teaches and confesses. The preaching of the word of God is a sacred duty, and it must be done correctly. It took me only an hour or two to do some preliminary research on the man and the red flags were coming fast and furious. The fact that they exposed the flock to this false teacher without knowing his theological proclivities and idiosyncrasies is extremely troubling and suggests a lack of care for the pulpit and the sermon.

3. The fact that no one stood up and said something is a damning indictment. The Alliance Church still has Brad’s weekend seminars up, and listening to them should have been an adequate precursor to let them know that the sermon wasn’t going to be good. I have not reviewed them, and will not do so unless specifically asked, but when you have 45 minutes of a man teaching about mystical, esoteric spirituality with lots of stories and no bible verses, that’s a problem. But as bad as that was, it was no match for the sermon which was theological cyanide.

So why didn’t the pastor stand up and say something? Why didn’t the elders stand up and say something? What a horrific abdication of their duties to their flock and their responsibility towards Christ. They should have interrupted him 5 minutes in, publicly rebuked him, asked him to leave, apologize to the congregation, and used this as a teachable moment to display humility, confession, and discernment. It’s not rude, it’s their job! That would have been extremely commendable. Instead they demonstrated their tolerance for wolves and we get 50 minutes of slaughtering the sheep while the pastors, elders, deacons and even laypeople stayed silent and shut up. This is a complete failure and breakdown on their part and suggests a systematic cowardice that is not in line with their call to be shepherds and watchmen.

In any case, this mess leaves us with two possibilities and one hope. The first is that the Alliance Church and their leadership Terry, Bonnie, and Val support this man, message and new theological direction. If this is the case, then I cannot recommend the Fort McMurray Alliance Church as a good and safe Church to attend, and would desire that everyone attending get out as fast as they can.

The second possibility is that they don’t support the man, message and theological direction. If this is the case then the lack of discernment that they have demonstrated in their handling of this whole affair is so great that it has penetrated and tainted the very ethos of the leadership team and the fabric of the congregation. For this reason I don’t believe they can be trusted to soberly bring the word and rightly divide the word of truth; that they cannot be counted on to “preach the word; be ready in season and out of season; reprove, rebuke, exhort, with great patience and instruction.” in a way that befits a congregation supposedly dedicated to Christ and his truth. In light of this, I believe it would be best for Church members look elsewhere for spiritual instruction, as I cannot recommend them.

And lastly is my hope. I would hope that the Alliance Church repents of this little stunt and would return to faithful, biblical preaching. I would hope that they would publicly confess that having Brad Jersak speak was a mistake, that the beliefs he eschewed were dangerous and unorthodox, that he was guilty of just being factually wrong and having poor logic in many of his arguments, and that they failed in their duty to protect the flock.  If this were to happen,  I would reconsider my conclusions that people should cease going, and would suggest that they would be restored as a congregation in which people ought to attend.