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		<title>Church kids need to stop being so gay</title>
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		<description><![CDATA[There is a microcosm of our popular culture today that is spread and spewed on a daily basis by many members of the Body of Christ, and this is the fact that &#8220;gay jokes&#8221; are socially and spiritually accepted within the Church. That is  tragic, disturbing, and damaging. Most Christians know that you shouldn&#8217;t tell [...]<img alt="" border="0" src="http://stats.wordpress.com/b.gif?host=thepaperthinhymn.com&#038;blog=9128757&#038;post=2809&#038;subd=thehasbeenhymn&#038;ref=&#038;feed=1" width="1" height="1" />]]></description>
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<p>There is a microcosm of our popular culture today that is spread and spewed on a daily basis by many members of the Body of Christ, and this is the fact that &#8220;gay jokes&#8221; are socially and spiritually accepted within the Church. That is  tragic, disturbing, and damaging. Most Christians know that you shouldn&#8217;t tell dirty or sexual jokes and if you confronted a man telling a coarse joke, more often than not he&#8217;ll become embarrassed, self-conscious, and acknowledge that he probably shouldn&#8217;t be saying them. There is no such stigma for &#8220;gay jokes.&#8221;</p>
<p>Congregation members, especially teens and young men, have made this a part of their daily repertoire of insults and wit, specifically using the term &#8220;gay&#8221; as a disparaging epitaph. Innuendos and insinuations of effeminacy and queerness come naturally and quick. They do this based on perceived character defects, personal mannerisms,  speech patterns, clothing style, affectations, interests and oftentimes for no reason whatsoever. It doesn&#8217;t really matter what the impetus is, if there is an opportunity to burn another soul [usually in jest]  it&#8217;s rare that someone would think twice before saying  &#8220;that&#8217;s pretty gay&#8221; in order to frame them as a homosexual and demean and marginalize them. That&#8217;s part of it. The other part is when people  thoughtlessly define &#8220;gay&#8221;  and make it a synonym for stupid, lame, week and boring.  They might say &#8220;that restaurant was pretty gay&#8221; or that band is so gay&#8221;. Its very, very common, and Church kids love saying it.</p>
<p>Church kids are being bombarded by one of the worst dimensions of  Christian culture which says it&#8217;s either alright to make fun of homosexuals, or as is far more prominent and is usually the case, that they<em> don&#8217;t care</em> when you make fun of homosexuals. It doesn&#8217;t register. They are lethargic and apathetic, and they need to be woken. It is  inexcusable. It is an immature, uncaring and unloving practice. Our culture does it all the time, and instead of making this a dividing line where we draw a distinction between the hateful rhetoric of our culture and the loving, welcoming, nurturing character of the Church&#8217;s soul towards homosexuals, our young men have joined the party and have become indistinguishable in this regard.  The pastors and leaders need to take them to task and correct them when they say things like that. They need to be told that what they are doing is a sin and that it has no place in that community of faith. The pastors need to rebuke, shame and discipline them. Call them out on it and take them aside and help them develop it as an issue of personal sanctification.</p>
<p>It is a shame in every sense of the word, and it needs to be seriously dealt with.  It&#8217;s not funny and it demeans the name of Christ when they are being allowed to profligate it with impunity through careless and crass words.  Their joking may not all be overt, but they implicitly bleed superiority and condescension when they  take a facet of a person spirit  that they&#8217;ve wept  and trembled over and use it as a dismissive disparagement- when they reduce such an important, raw part of gay person&#8217;s identity to a punchline to score points.</p>
<p>A while ago I was in discussions with some people about what I would say if I were apologizing on behalf of the Church for how they&#8217;ve treated the homosexual community. I think what I <a href="/2010/09/14/reconciliation-and-homosexuality/">wrote then</a> has some relevance to the topic at hand and I figured would share part of it to close out the post;</p>
<p>&#8220;I would not apologize for the theology, but rather how we have presented it. I would apologize that we haven’t been more accepting of homosexuals in the congregation and have not aggressively been evangelizing them. I would apologize that we have related to them as lepers, instead of as image bearers needing Christ- and that we are less &#8220;leprous&#8221; than they. I would apologize that we have not denounced the young men in our congregations who have made a habit of telling “gay-jokes” and other shameful humor. I would apologize that we have been ambivalent and have not paid attention to the men and women in our congregation who have been struggling with same sex attraction. I would apologize for not ministering to them enough, and for not supporting them enough in their desire to be free from this. I would apologize for the tactlessness that certain ministers have exhibited in public forums and for the lack of loving tone with outsiders and unbelievers. Last of all, I would apologize that we have not been clear, intellectual, concise and consistent in our theology of marriage. We have let people who have no theology of marriage hijack the conversation and speak for us. We have let ignorant people with loveless rhetoric and billboards saying “Adam and eve, not Adam and Steve” represent us, instead of thoughtful, wise and well spoken men and women of God who are  able to intelligently lay out a loving, clear presentation of why and what we believe marriage and sexuality to be and how that relates to the homosexual and heterosexual.&#8221;</p>
<p>*note. the title of this blog point is deliberately provocative and ironically tongue-in-cheek. When contrasted with the content and thesis, I believe it serves its purpose well.</p>
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		<title>Ecclesial Roundup. Week ending 08.28.11</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 04 Sep 2011 14:43:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[MGA Church. Pastor Glen Forsberg. Fellowship Baptist Church.  Pastor Brent Carter Fm Alliance. Pastor Val Johnson Family Christian Center Emmanuel Baptist Church<img alt="" border="0" src="http://stats.wordpress.com/b.gif?host=thepaperthinhymn.com&#038;blog=9128757&#038;post=2622&#038;subd=thehasbeenhymn&#038;ref=&#038;feed=1" width="1" height="1" />]]></description>
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<p>MGA Church. <a href="http://mgachurch.com/media/messages-podcast/?sermon_id=221">Pastor Glen Forsberg. </a></p>
<p>Fellowship Baptist Church.  <a href="http://community.life4truth.net/index.php?topic=56.0">Pastor Brent Carter</a></p>
<p>Fm Alliance.<a href="http://www.fmalliance.ca/downloads/sermons/PastorVal-Aug28-2011.mp3"> Pastor Val Johnson</a></p>
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<p>Emmanuel Baptist Church</p>
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		<title>Sermon Review. PAOFM. Pastor Edwin Rideout. The Atonement. January 24, 2010</title>
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		<description><![CDATA[Are there certain things we could remove from our belief system and the power of the gospel would not be necessarily affected by it?” This is a question that this Church has been asking as they are going through their sermon series on the essentials of the faith and as they preach on the primary, [...]<img alt="" border="0" src="http://stats.wordpress.com/b.gif?host=thepaperthinhymn.com&#038;blog=9128757&#038;post=939&#038;subd=thehasbeenhymn&#038;ref=&#038;feed=1" width="1" height="1" />]]></description>
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<p><em>Are there certain things we could remove from our belief system  and the power of the gospel would not be necessarily affected by it?”</em> This is a question that this Church has been asking as they are going  through their sermon series on the essentials of the faith and as they  preach on the primary, secondary, and tertiary issues of the faith. In a  very real way they are drawing lines in the sand regarding which issues  they will not budge on, and of which are of utmost importance.  One of  those essential, non-negotiable issues is the atonement. And though he  does not say the words, it seems he is describing<em> penal substitutionary atonement</em>.  In fact, within the first five minutes he decries the false atonement  theologies of  Stephen Chalke and Brian McLaren, men who have dismissed  the historical orthodox view of the  atonement as cosmic child abuse.  Pastor Edwin states that the doctrine of atonement is under fierce  attack from the enemy, and it is clear that the man is ready to battle.</p>
<p>Early on we get two verses. Hebrews 10:19-23 <em>“Therefore,  brothers, since we have confidence to enter the holy places by the blood  of Jesus,  by the new and living way that he opened for us through the  curtain, that is, through his flesh, and since we have a great priest  over the house of God, let us draw near with a true heart in full  assurance of faith, with our hearts sprinkled clean from an evil  conscience and our bodies washed with pure water.”</em> and Romans 5:6-8 ” <em>For  while we were still weak, at the right time Christ died for the  ungodly. For one will scarcely die for a righteous person—though perhaps  for a good person one would dare even to die— but God shows his love  for us in that while we were still sinners, Christ died for us”.</em></p>
<p>Pastor Edwin states “There’s not a statement in the Bible this  morning that declares that God died for us in the person of his Son the  lord Jesus Christ because we were so valuable. There’s nothing in the  Bible that talks about the fact that we were critical to the mission and  therefore God must come. No. The reason that God sent his son the Lord  Jesus Christ to die for us speaks to us not about how valuable we are,  but it speaks about and exalts the love of God. It exalts the character  of God. It speaks about the omnipotence of God. Of the compassion of God  and the mercies of God. Although yes we are the primary target that God  sets out to redeem, the atonement first and foremost displays the  character of God….In God redeeming us what he is doing is he is  upholding himself, he is displaying his own glory before the universe.  He is displaying his own attributes of mercy and compassion and grace.” <strong>[What a fantastic quote!]</strong></p>
<p>He references 1 Peter 2:24 and John 12:32-33 and speaks more of the  atonement, about how all other false gods and false religious leaders  like Mohammed may have had redeemable qualities to them, but they did  not die for us and take away our sins. They were never able to do so,  and regardless of what sort of precepts and qualities they had in their  faith systems, only the perfect, sinless Christ qualifies to take away  our sins, and that Jesus Christ was received into the presence of God  and is in heaven making intercession for us.</p>
<p>He says that those who repent of their sin and put their faith in  Christ are born again. They become new creations and receive eternal  life, and while so many people believe it, he suspects that many of them  don’t really <em>believe</em> it. Insomuch as it relates to sin, he  says “If we truly believed in it, the power of the life that is in  Christ would come into us and it would break the power of sin in our  being . It’s something that must happen in the Spirit, where the Spirit  from man yields up his own authority and his own will to the Spirit of  God. And it can only come as an act of the Spirit in our lives.” <strong>[this is by faith]</strong></p>
<p>Buttressing his position, he offers a few definitions on the  atonement, concluding that the atonement was necessary to satisfy the  demands of the law, and it has legal implications and legal language. We  have broken the law. The penalty is death. Christ needs to pay the  price. The words<em> “It is finished”</em> that Christ uttered on the cross mean that  <em>“It is paid in full”</em> and that no man will ever have to die for his sins again if he believes  in Christ. He talks a bit about the Old Testament allusions to the  sacrifices of bulls and goats for the covering of sin, and the mercy  seat in heaven whereby Christ sprinkled his own blood on the altar once  and for all to actually pay for sin. He says that the atonement is  essential and it complete emasuclates Christianity if we remove  it. Without Jesus atoning work there is no hope for a man, and outside  of Christ there is no other sacrifice that is acceptable to the Father.</p>
<p>He leaves us with a quote by Dr. Ian Paisley “Ours is a bloodstained  message. In the divine eyes, the heavens are bloodmarked, the earth is  bloodmarked and the elect are bloodmarked. We bow before a bloodstained  throne. Once a fiery throne of judgment, now by blood a mercy seat. The  church is a bloodstained church, purchased with a price most precious-  the blood of God’s dear Son. Our bible is a bloodstained book. Prick the  body of heavenly divinity anywhere, and out pours lifetide of Emmanuel,  Christ. The bible is a crimson book. Heaven is a bloodstained heaven  into which our redeemer has entered. Our access to God is by a  bloodstained path and Christ’s bloodmarks guide us to the throne. Our  songs are the blood-stained songs recounting the liberating power of  calvarys blood shedding.”</p>
<h3><strong>REFLECTIONS</strong></h3>
<p>This was a fantastic and imminently quotable sermon. It could use a  few tweaks, such as including the wrath of God being satisfied on the  cross, a theme which is central to the atonement and to salvation, but  other that the subject matter and the presentation were top notch. It  seemed to me that what may have started out as a calculated, precise  presentation and defence quickly denigrated into the spiritual  equivalent of a brawl. It was jabs and thrusts and slashes about the  wonder of the atonement, the goodness of the atonement, the importance  of the atonement, and the damnation absent the atonement. I liked it.  Clearly the man is passionate about it, and that was evident in his  preaching. I also appreciate that he was willing to name names, and call  out men like Chalke and MaClaren for the false teachers that they are.</p>
<p>What I especially loved was his presentation of the purpose of the  atonement. I completely agree and have believed that for years, and so  what a fresh air to be taught that it isn’t chiefly about you. Because  listen, God didn’t save you because he just loved so soooo much and he  couldn’t live without you. There’s this idea that God is so infatuated  with you that he just wants to be invited into your heart, and that  if  he didn’t have you as his human friend, well gosh darn-it, he wouldn’t  know what to do with himself.  You all know that’s true. So many people  give the impression that God created us because he was so lonely and sad  and miserable without us, and he just needed someone to love, and it’s  almost like we’re doing him a favour when we ask him into our life.  Nothing could be further from the truth though! When God saves us, the  glory is not ours, but his. He saves because he is good and merciful,  and he sent Christ to die so that his name would be magnified and  praised, not so that he could have another friend in heaven to play with  and who would like him and so he can be loved even more.</p>
<p>As well, what a great quote by Dr Ian Paisley. That sort of thing  really makes me think, and I become aware of how little emphasis we put  on the blood of Christ in our practical, every day lives. I don’t want a  sanitized and sterilized faith, but rather I want something real and  genuine and with all the beautiful, terrible gore that had to have been  manifested for my sins to be forgiven. Because I don’t tend to connect  well or appreciate when I get a message stripped down and deconstructed  and devoid of the power of the cross and the truth of the magnitude of  the payment required for my sins. In my own life, it’s hard to die to  self when I’m constantly being told it’s all about me. It’s hard to die  to self when I’m made to feel just a little lower than the one who died  for me. It’s hard to die to self when I’m not faced with the gravity of  the completeness of that death and my utterly desperate need for it.  Thankfully this sermon didn’t not point me inward to myself, but pointed  me outward to God. I never once got the impression that it was all  about me and for that I’m grateful. And so all in all, very well done.</p>
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