The Nicene Creed
and of all things
And in one Lord
Acts 10:36, 11:17, Rom. 1:7, 5:1, 1 Cor 1:2, 6:11, 2 Cor. 1:2, 8:9
Gal. 1:3, 6:14, Eph. 1:2, 3:11, Phil. 1:2, 3:20, Col. 1:3, 2:6, 1 Thes. 1:1, 5:9,
2 Thes. 1:1, 2:14, 1 Tim. 6:3, 14, 2 Tim. 1:2, Philemon 1:3, 25, Heb. 13:20,
Jas. 1:1, 2:1, 1 Pet. 1:3, 3:15, 2 Pet. 1:8, 14, Jude 17, 21, Rev. 22:20-21
and was incarnate
by the Holy Spirit
of the Virgin Mary
and was made man;
The Holy Spirit
2 Cor. 3:17
1 Cor. 1:2
A Prayer of St. John Chrysostom. [c. A.D. 347–407 ]
O Lord, deprive me not of Thy heavenly good things. O Lord, deliver me from eternal torments. O Lord, if I have sinned in mind or thought, in word or deed, forgive me. O Lord, deliver me from all ignorance, forgetfulness, faint-heartedness, and stony insensibility. O Lord, deliver me from every temptation. O Lord, enlighten my heart which evil desire hath darkened. O Lord, as a man I have sinned, but do Thou, as the compassionate God, have mercy on me, seeing the infirmity of my soul. O Lord, send Thy grace to my aid, that I may glorify Thy holy name. O Lord Jesus Christ, inscribe me Thy servant in the Book of Life, and grant me a good end. O Lord my God, even though I have done nothing good in Thy sight, yet grant me by Thy grace to make a good beginning. O Lord, sprinkle into my heart the dew of Thy grace. O Lord of heaven and earth, remember me Thy sinful servant, shameful and unclean, in Thy kingdom. Amen.
O Lord, accept me in repentance. O Lord, forsake me not. O Lord, lead me not into temptation. O Lord, grant me good thoughts. O Lord, grant me tears, remembrance of death, and compunction. O Lord, grant me the thought of confessing my sins. O Lord, grant me humility, chastity, and obedience. O Lord, grant me patience, courage, and meekness. O Lord, implant in me the root of good, Thy fear in my heart. O Lord, vouchsafe me to love Thee with all my soul and mind, and in all things to do Thy will. O Lord, protect me from evil men, demons, and passions, and from every other unseemly thing. O Lord, I know that Thou doest as Thou wilt: Thy will be done also in me a sinner; for blessed art Thou unto the ages. Amen.
So I mentioned yesterday that I had called the Breakforth Organization with some concerns with the speaker line-up, particularly William P. Young who is the author of the Shack. I was told that they would get back to me and I am pleased to report that I received an email this morning from Dr. Arlen Salte, who is the Executive Director of Breakforth. Here is the email in the entirety:
Thank you for calling to express your concerns about William Paul Young as a speaker at Break Forth Canada. Please understand that we investigate any main platform speaker at Break Forth Canada to ensure that they are in alignment with orthodox beliefs. This involves essential doctrines of the Trinity, as well as a denouncement of universalism. While we understand that there are some who still have issues with William Paul Young or The Shack, please rest assured that on essential core doctrines there is no wavering from the Apostles Creed.
I am very conservative in my theology and I take a very high view of scripture. Despite the high wire act of walking between so many different denominations (and those from no church background), I insist that anyone teaching a class at Break Forth Canada (aside from some technical classes) can at the very least stand on the Apostles Creed. It is our experience that anyone who bolts to prominence and who speaks in a creative manner will become the object of much controversy, predominantly on the Internet. For some reason, there is a relational disconnect that takes place when people move from the world of flesh and blood to the world of bits and bytes. What someone would never say to a person’s face all of a sudden becomes fodder in blogs and emails. This makes it doubly difficult to separate fact from fiction.
While The Shack has certainly garnered negative reviews, and people are very welcome to express their opinions (as long as it reflects Christian grace), The Shack has a lineup of evangelical luminaries who are very strong proponents. Let’s remember that Eugene Peterson, translator of The Message Bible interpretation and Professor Emeritus of Spiritual Theology, Regent College, Vancouver, B.C. had this to say about The Shack: “When the imagination of a writer and the passion of a theologian cross-fertilize the result is a novel on the order of “The Shack.” This book has the potential to do for our generation what John Bunyan’s “Pilgrim’s Progress” did for his. It’s that good!”
There is little doubt that a man of Eugene Peterson’s status and biblical depth would carefully examine the theology of The Shack prior to agreeing to have his name and bold recommendation placed on millions of book jackets all over the world. Apparently, he believed strongly enough in the Biblical and Theological integrity of the book (wrapped in a story) to take a stand. Perhaps someone who disagrees with The Shack can at least extend the grace to acknowledge that something they perceive to be errant can be used by God to stir a person outside of the walls of the church to consider a relationship with Christ. For example; as much as I have serious theological disagreements with Godspell as it is in its original form, I know that many people have been drawn to a deep faith in the Jesus Christ.
Regardless of a person’s view on The Shack, William Paul Young is only speaking for 45 minutes at two elective classes and not a general assembly. During the time of the elective classes where he is speaking there are 57 other options to choose from. We understood that William Paul Young would be controversial in some circles so we wanted to ensure that there were many other options available to people. Our policy has always been that if a speaker makes significant theological errors at the conference, that they will not be invited back to Break Forth Canada. We have done this several times in the past. We also had many people of deep theological discernment last year in William Paul Young’s classes who we interviewed after Break Forth Canada 2009. We were assured by every single person that there was nothing said by William Paul Young in his elective classes that contained theological error. It is after this careful review took place that he was invited back to speak at 2 elective classes at Break Forth Canada 2010.
Simply put, we’ve done more ‘homework’ on an elective class teacher than most pastors would do before they allowed another person to fill the pulpit on a Sunday morning (which would be similar to having William Paul Young as a keynote speaker at Break Forth Canada, which I state again, he is not).Despite our apparent differences I pray God’s richest on you and your ministry.I also ask that you pray that God would touch the lives of the thousands who come to Break Forth Canada. Every year, many people are brought to faith in Christ, marriages are saved and many are changed for all eternity.
Dr. Arlen Salte; Executive Director
And so there you have it. I found this response to be particularly gracious, though it is a template, as I sent an email from another email address and received the same response. Do I agree with him? Not at all. I certainly understand where he’s coming from, but the reality is that the Shack, while quite bad and which does have major errors and heresies and is particularly troublesome, is not even my main issue. Rather it’s with interviews that he’s done with people, as well as his penchant for Universal Reconciliation. As well, the fact that Eugene Peterson has endorsed it means little to me, as while I do appreciate his theological contributions to other works, I consider the Message Bible to have done much harm to the Christian faith. Not only that, but the fact that he could even compare it to Pilgrims Progress tells me that he either has never read Pilgrims Progress, or has never understood it.
Lastly, it seems to me that these people have not been vetted nearly enough, nor do I think that holding them to the standard of the Apostle’s Creed is particularly helpful, as you can pick your poison of word of faith preachers or other heretics who would gladly hold to that. I think in a case like this that you need to deeply ascertain the theological underpinnings of any speaker, because otherwise you can get into trouble. I do appreciate though, at the very least, that there are some safeguards in place. As I said in an earlier post, I would be very surprised if he said anything sketchy to a crowd this large. I would imagine that he would be on his best behavior, as that sort of things lends credence in the public eye. In any case, I just wanted to pass that along to either put peoples minds at ease about going, or fortify their decision not to go.
I have seen a poster for Breakforth 2010 in two different churches now in the last little while, as well as have seen it advertised elsewhere across the internet. For those who don’t know what it is, it bills itself as the “largest equipping and renewal conference in North America” with about 15,000 people attending. It all goes down on January 29-31, 2010 and what it essentially is is a massive conference that teaches people and has workshops on every areas of the Christian life and church ministries that you can imagine, with a noticeably more heavy emphasis on the arts. I know that’s broad and general, but it’s not so much important to know what specific workshops will be taking place as much as it is to know “who” will be involved and will be speaking at this event. To list off some of the bigger names in speakers and musicians that will be included in the line-up: Anne Graham Lotz, Lee Strobel, Fancies Chan, Newsboys, Michael W. Smith, Frank Peretti, Sean McDowell, Fred Stoeker, Joel Rosenberg, Shannon Ethridge, Phil Keaggy, Randy Stonehill, and a host of others. There’s almost 200 different sessions you can go to, so it’s pretty packed. And that’s all well and good. There are several people there that I wouldn’t mind attending, especially Graham ,Strobel, Keaggy, and Stonehill.
But a few names really stood out to me as soon as I saw the poster and then later on as I did some more reading: William P. Young and Leonard Sweet, and to a lesser extent Alan Roxburgh, David Fitch, and Brad Jersak. The first two in particular really got my attention as they also reveived top billing. The former is the author of the infamous “The Shack,” and the latter is the founder and president of SpiritVenture Ministries. Why did this get my attention? For a simple reason- they’re both raging heretics.
These men are not Christians in any sense of the word but rather in fact have launched destructive assaults against the faith, some more direct than others. Sweet is a panentheistic, mystical, emergent new-ager whose books, while not all bad, advance Eastern mysticism disguised as Christian spirituality. The other three in particular all have close ties to the egregiously ecumenical emerging church, which is actually a de-formation and deconstruction of the Christian faith and is now morphing into a different kind of animal, apostate emergence Christianity. They may still regain some degree of orthodoxy, but at the very least their teachings are very, very aberrant. I’ve read some of their books, lectures, interviews, and blogs, and it’s bad. As for William P. Young, the man is not a Christian brother to anyone but rather is a universalist whose book “The Shack” contains no fewer than 10 major distortions or heresies of the Christian faith.
And so I ask myself, why does this conference exist? I don’t doubt that there will be some good stuff there, some solid teaching, and probably some good worship. I don’t see how there can’t be some great stuff there as there are some great speakers. I’m not familiar with the theological beliefs of these artists, so can’t really comment on that, but what fails me is how does one in good conscience share the stage at a Christian conference with men who don’t even share the faith? I’ll grant that Roxburgh, Fitch, and Jersak are possibly negligible in the grand scheme of things, though I would have my discernment cap on as I listen to them as they have some very bad ideas. But Leonard Sweet? We don’t need new-age occultism repackaged as spiritual formation. William P. Young? He comes across as really nice, and from all the interviews I’ve seen with him he strikes me as a very kind and gracious man. But that does not change the fact that the man is an enemy of the gospel and ought to be silenced and forbidden from teaching anything at a Christian conference. In fact the man should be run out of the conference, and the main organizer should take the stage and issue a public apology to everyone attending and explain to them why they are kicking him out and denouncing him, and then and pull a mea culpa for ever having thought it was a good idea to invite him.
As it were, I’m not necessarily knocking the other speakers who are attending this event. I’m sure that some of they may not have known who all else was involved in this, or perhaps they just don’t know much about the other headliners and guest speakers. It’s possible that they just don’t see it or don’t understand it. Which is not to say that it’s an excuse, as many of these people are solid and ought to know better, display some wisdom, and do some research on who they are partnering with, but I understand that’s not always possible. I’m also not blaming the people who go to this event. Perhaps they don’t know who these men are. Or perhaps they do know but have no intention of attending his sessions and are rather going for other reasons and other sessions. Kind of like swallowing the meat and spitting out the bones. I’m not convinced that it’s the wisest thing to do, as you are still supporting such a conference, but I do get it. I myself would not attend this, as I don’t see why I would want to attend a conference where light partners with dark, and I have other sources where I could get just as much out of [though I would love to hear that Stonehill and Keaggy acoustic set]. I’m sure that many people could attend this and get a lot out of it, and it’s possible that William Young, Leonard Sweet, Alan Roxburgh, David Fitch, or Brad Jersak won’t even say anything out of line. But I’m not convinced it’s a good idea to pay hundreds of dollars for conference tickets, food, gas, and hotels in support of this thing, even if you do have the wisdom to parse their words [which not all people do]. This sort of thing ought not to be encouraged, and they should be getting phone calls and emails expressing deep concern for the content of such a conference and the direction they’re heading. Although, looking back, this conference does have a history of lining up other shady speakers, so I probably shouldn’t be too surprised, but it still bothers me. I can’t help but believe this is a tacit approval of the men and of the message, and I would hate to have people leaving this conference thinking that these speakers are good to go and are faithful to the gospel of Christ.
edit #1. I’ll be updating this when I get a response, but I did call the organizers and spoke with a woman about their choice to have William P. Young there. She directed me to leave a message with someone who could help me, which I did. She also kindly explained to me that they knew he was controversial, but that there was a high demand to have him there. She said that as way to balance this, they have him speaking on the last day in two major electives, and in that way people can just stay for the first two days or bypass him completely, and that unlike the other headliners he would not be speaking to the main assembly at any given time.